hey there,
i was wondering if anyone would be able to brainstorm with me on how lego robotics system could be made more attractive to girls- without necc. pandering to fashion obsession or accessorizing, make-up, sexed role play.
BACKGROUND
i'm working on a project for a little course i am on- i have to use the LEGO mindstorms product
www.legomindstorms.com/
and build something that interacts with its environment and also can teach another person how to learn something.
i would like to make a model ´thingy, whatever it may be that might encourage curiosity form a girl to get involved making robotics.
i have a nephew aged 12 who was so excited when i showed him the mindstorms product, he couldn't wait to build something. my 11yr old neice looked at the instruction booklet, and the pictures on the outside of the box, and was immediately put-off by it, and not interested at all.
i was thinking if there was a model on the cover that might have incited her curiosty, it might have turned out to be a different introduction to mindstorms.
at LEGO, in the FAQ, they explained why they created
www.clikits.com/
"We feel it is important to offer choices for those girls who previously had no experience playing with LEGO brand sets...girls can 'build' picture frames, tote bags, room decorations and even jewelry"
(ex: to make accessories, you buy premade shapes and snap on premade hearts, flowers, etc)
Seems like a lame excuse for 'building'...
GOT ANY IDEAS?
with the mindstorms robotics kit, i was thinking of something that encouraged game playing or role playing, which might be more attractive to girls.
Anyone have any ideas?
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Re: lego project, brainstorm help?
Tue, December 30, 2003 - 10:10 AMThis biggest problem I had with buying toys for my goddaughter is her mother's insistence with buying her dolls. The child loved trucks and stuff, but her mother would still force dolls on her. By the time the child was 4, she had gotten tired of playing with her brothers legos and trucks and stuck to her dolls, since her brother wasn't bought any dolls. To even things out, I had purchased an easy bake oven for my godson, remember when they weren't PINK?! He loved to bake, and I thought, what the hell?! His father thought it would make him gay, but his mother overruled it. With girls almost forcibly conditioned to be turned on by fashion, make-up, hair and shopping, you pretty much have to gear two kinds of enticing products. One for those who aren't turned on by those things, and one for those who are. Nothing shameful about finding ways for a kid to create a vanity mirror or somesuch, but offer a free-thinking girl something like the living woman.
My best idea for those girls in the first category: The video cam robot can be shown with a girl setting it up and watching her room for her little brother and catching him in the act of reading her diary or some such.
For the girls in the second category: Using the Dark Side kit, maybe they could include some of the cuter creatures for the girls to build and have them interact with each other. -
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Tue, December 30, 2003 - 1:59 PMWhy can't lego combine the pink fluffiness of the clickits line with the utilitarian aspect of the mindstorm line? My fiancee just got the mindstorm starter kit for x-mas. It seems pretty cool, but it looks (the shapes and colors) like something designed by and for a boy. Just by changing the colors a bit and adding a few round edges it would automatically become a bit more interesting to more girls. Then by making the robot possibilities more girl-friendly they could take over a whole new market. It seems that by the time girls are old enough to use mindstorms they're already socialized to react to toys in whatever manner they will. If they are tomboys, mindstorm as it is might be fine. However, if they're girlie, why not develop something more attractive to that personality.
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Wed, December 31, 2003 - 6:27 AMThis is great feedback & reflections. Excellent ideas, thanks to both of you. I'll be grateful for any more if anyone else has some thoughts.
Would you mind if I included your feedback & ideas with your first name in my report? (I will also refer to this tribe and tribe.net I think) It will be published online, in my school projects area. I'll post a link here when it is done. -
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Wed, December 31, 2003 - 7:45 AMI have no problems, go fo it.
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Fri, January 2, 2004 - 12:52 PMSure thing. I hope that your project goes well. It sounds like a lot of fun to develop.
Btw, I got into a huge discussion with some of my friends yesterday based on this discussion. We came to the conclusion that the amount of gender socialization that goes on in our society is shameful. But, there have been strides made. Where women once would not have been given the opportunity to learn or play with "masculine" ideas and toys, we are now discussing ways to remedy the situation and how to implement those methods. In fact, I think the amount of gender socialization that women are impressed with has decreased over the years. Now it's ok to be a physicist or engineer, when less than 50 years ago it was frowned upon to try to be anything more than a mother, teacher, or secretary.
I think that boys actually have it worse than girls sometimes (at least when it comes to gender roles)... boys are always pushed to be boys, to do boy things, but girls can now do girl or boy things.
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Wed, December 31, 2003 - 9:49 PMI think that packaging is very important. The extreme differences in packaging that Lego chose to use makes me ill. I think its possible to create packaging that could be fun and interesting for both sexes.
One of the things I have noticed about my own experience in the computer world is that the thing that finally truly drew me in (and subsequently subsumed my RL), was narrative, be it interactive chat, role playing (MUDs, MOOs), and BBSs. The one video game that I played so much I dreamt about it was based on Star Wars, and thus had its own auxillary story line. I would hazard a guess that I am not the only one.
When I read the part "my 11yr old neice looked at the instruction booklet, and the pictures on the outside of the box", it made me cringe too. I hate RTFM. I will not do that for play, in most cases. I don't want to be told what to build, what it should look like or result in for playtime. There are enough rules throughout the rest of my life. Maybe girls are just more creative?!!? ;)
Ugh, the more I look at that Clikit thing the more mad it makes me.
For the record, I have a son and he has a wooden oven with food to make. He likes his doll a lot and carried it with him everywhere up until Christmas when Santa gave him a Woody doll (he is getting Jessie for his Bday). I believe in exposing children to different "gender bent" things. We discourage any reference to shooting things in the house.
So...more constructive feedback? I can only speak from my own experience, but if I had been introduced to robotics relating to space exploration when I was younger, I think I would have been into it. It would have offered for me a narrative context aside from robots killing each other. Another thing that would have gotten me going is architectural stuff. Can you make modern houses where the houses actually DO stuff? (Sounds like something I would like to play with right now). What about robots that can make noise or music?
Again, focusing on how this is presented is a key thing I think. Black and white schematics of how to put things together just won't cut it. If it does for boys...well, I won't man bash but its tempting. ;)
Awesome project Heather. Feel free to use my infoz. -
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Fri, January 2, 2004 - 11:27 AMthanks again, this is v helpful!
yeah, i love this place.
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Re: lego project, brainstorm help?
Sun, January 4, 2004 - 1:33 PMPersonally, I was always interested in from the time I was around seven and found Lego extremely appealing, usually I asked for extension sets every xmas. I'm not sure exactly why that was but more than likely centered around the fact I could build anything I wanted. At that time, I think Lego had it right being extremely neutral, actually. Basic sets with the green connector bottoms and the typical eight color strategy from Crayola I found appealing.
They have strayed so far from this however and everything seems too specific - they cater to those mostly that need to follow the design pattern given. I mean, you could create anything with the basics and sometimes I wish they had just sold add on booklets instead on how to build with different ideas (kids could even take pictures of what they did and could feature them) while having sets of more colors made available. The only one's I see like that are geared for the up to three year olds and they made the blocks bigger but the middle agers wouldn't at all be interested in those really.
That link is scary, lol, building a pink purse is supposed to be appealing - egads!
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Tue, January 27, 2004 - 11:12 PMsounds like a really interest project heather!
some thoughts and perhaps grist for the mill:
sociological and childhood development studies say girls tend to use and like talking A Lot. whether that is more than boys i am not sure if i agree with, BUT it is true many girls dig communicating. (sterotype of teen young gal on phone forever comes from somewhere in our culture, right?) why not make it a ham radio, or webcam, or walkie talkie-like radio, or digital camera that rolls or moves taking 30 sec .avi's or .jpg's, or something in that genre?
on another note:
when i was a kid i LOVED legos. mostly i got tinker toys because they were cheaper, but i loved legos because they were technical, specific and detailed. when i was about 12 i was given a really intricate electric circuit set. i was stoked but couldnt figure it out for the life of me. unfortunately, i only lived with my mother, who had no technical interest/knowledge whatsoever and didnt really think this kind of toy was for girls (as it might make me 'gay'). so i think i gave it to a kid i knew (boy) who lived down the block. as i am getting older and watching my friends be parents and seeing the school systems that the kids are attending, i realized how important it is to pay attention individually to each child and their particular interests growing up regardingless of gender and societal specifications of 'norms'. my friends kids are blessed as they have fantastic aware parents, but there are many children out there that dont, especially the lower classes. because the encouragement and help to any child,of any interest that they have, but especially scientific, is going to help them explore their fascinations with life. in the long run when they become biologists, doctors, and engineers they are going to contribute to the human endevour. i feel science is almost unbalanced right now, like when you only build one arm's muscles; it is very masculine and i think it needs the feminine side to be balanced to be all we can be as a human race. in this country i sometimes feel we should be making a bigger effort to girls technical programs in schools.
on a humourous note, i am now still interested in geeky things such as the recent mars landings and this forum for example, but never had the math and science in ghigh school to be the bridge or flight engineer i wanted to be when i was 8 (i liked being up high apparently). so, i'm not smart in an engineering sense, yet i still turned out gay. heheh. -
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Wed, January 28, 2004 - 2:39 PMi also had an electric circuit set that i could not for the life of me figure out. all those diagrams and the fact that everything had to be so exact. i didn't and still don't like following rigid directions like that.
i also had an electronic football game. i didn't understand the rules of football so i got bored with that one really quickly.
i also had the 70s/80s era lego sets with the primary colors. those were much more my speed because i could build what i wanted, no matter what was on the box. i loved legos!
and i was terribly into trucks and hot wheels cars.
there is definitely a difference in that way that boys and girls approach play. generally, boys are more aggressive so battle related toys are appealing to them. generally, girls are far more interested in socialization (and communication).
but before i start talking out my ass, let me look this up. i have some pertinent literature and i'd like to get my facts straight.
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